Promises & Promiscuity
One of the things that bothers me about other people is their inherent tendency to be stupid. I certainly count myself under that umbrella, but I think it's safe to say that I think things through before taking a wrong action. And while it may be unfair to demand my values of others, it shouldn't be too much to hold them to their own.
I also don't like the term "pre-marital sex." Where did the "pre" come from, anyway? As I understand it, this is society's non-judgmental way of saying, "They just did it in a different order. They make their own choices, deviated from the crowd" as if their toying with a precious and sacred concept is the equivalent of ordering from the Burger King menu. "Have it your way" has become an all-too-natural behavioral mantra.
What we should be calling it is "non-marital sex." You weren't pre married, you were non married! Of course, this too has earned liberal acceptance. And, oh my, we wouldn't want to offend someone who did it their own way.
Certainly, there are people who just don't care. They've never cared, they don't consider consequences, and they are simply entitled. They were probably raised by parent-people who also never cared and felt entitled. These people, with some exception, are a lost cause by the time they hit their upper teenage years. They've learned a lifestyle, and to teach them differently would be to deprive them of what they once had.
But then there are people that know better. They claim beliefs, both religious and ethical, and vow to stand by them. They convince friends and family of their character and complain about those that deviate from such values. And it is these people who bother me the most when they falter. To deny values is one thing. To hypocritically profess them is another entirely.
I'm sick of my religious friends shacking up. I'm sick of them acting like it's "no big deal," when in fact they have surrendered their moral foundation for the opportunity to "be in love." I'm sick of the sanctity of my marriage (flawed as it may be) being trampled by the widespread approval of someone else's semblance of one.
I'm sick of supposedly chaste girls getting pregnant in high school (or middle school, or college, or their 30's). Though pregnancy itself is not the cause of my sickness, it certainly adds to the number of people their bad decisions impact. I'm sick of young women thinking it's ok to bypass important steps. Do they realize that the life into which they're bringing their baby is not good? Do they even think about the potential consequences - to themselves and their potential children - before spreading it for their horny high school boyfriends? If so, it doesn't seem to stick.
For the religious folk, consider this: You have sex, you're married. That's how God sees it. He doesn't appreciate your methodology, but you've consummated your relationship. You don't get a party. You don't get congratulations. You don't get to wear the pretty white dress.
Except that you do. And that makes me sick.
And when you get pregnant. You don't get a shower. You don't get the adoration of little girls who call you their idol. You don't get to think about how this affects you.
Except that, once again, you do. That makes me sick, too.
But the worst part is the scarcity of regard for the sanctity of sex and life. I am a married woman. Benjamin and I were both virgins when we said "I do." As a result, we share a special bond with each other that few modern young people can claim. Don't you think we were attracted to each other while we were dating? Don't you think we had opportunities to screw around? Don't you think I want babies? Duh!
But we were responsible. Some people think that "getting lost in the moment," having to "do" your significant other right then is a sign of insatiable love that no one understands. Guess what? We do understand - all of us who have made the right choices and retained our ethical premises. Jumping into bed with your high school sweetheart isn't love, it's horniness. And caving into those feelings doesn't make your relationship special and unique, it makes your relationship common and short-sighted.
I guess this is all grounded in my selfishness. I want my responsible choices to be viewed as positive, instead of being dismissed as old-fashioned. I don't want my life to be considered unexciting. And I don't want the things that I want so much in life to be taken for granted, even found inconvenient, by those who haven't earned them.
But when I really think about it, my life is exciting. I have a husband from whom I receive safety and love. We are passionate and loving, and we share a security of which unmarried couples can only dream. So I don't have a new guy every few months, but I get to keep a pretty great one. I don't have a baby to care for, but when I do, he or she will be a cherished blessing. And when I go to sleep tonight, I know that I will be waking up next to the same man tomorrow and for years to come. That's exciting.
I also don't like the term "pre-marital sex." Where did the "pre" come from, anyway? As I understand it, this is society's non-judgmental way of saying, "They just did it in a different order. They make their own choices, deviated from the crowd" as if their toying with a precious and sacred concept is the equivalent of ordering from the Burger King menu. "Have it your way" has become an all-too-natural behavioral mantra.
What we should be calling it is "non-marital sex." You weren't pre married, you were non married! Of course, this too has earned liberal acceptance. And, oh my, we wouldn't want to offend someone who did it their own way.
Certainly, there are people who just don't care. They've never cared, they don't consider consequences, and they are simply entitled. They were probably raised by parent-people who also never cared and felt entitled. These people, with some exception, are a lost cause by the time they hit their upper teenage years. They've learned a lifestyle, and to teach them differently would be to deprive them of what they once had.
But then there are people that know better. They claim beliefs, both religious and ethical, and vow to stand by them. They convince friends and family of their character and complain about those that deviate from such values. And it is these people who bother me the most when they falter. To deny values is one thing. To hypocritically profess them is another entirely.
I'm sick of my religious friends shacking up. I'm sick of them acting like it's "no big deal," when in fact they have surrendered their moral foundation for the opportunity to "be in love." I'm sick of the sanctity of my marriage (flawed as it may be) being trampled by the widespread approval of someone else's semblance of one.
I'm sick of supposedly chaste girls getting pregnant in high school (or middle school, or college, or their 30's). Though pregnancy itself is not the cause of my sickness, it certainly adds to the number of people their bad decisions impact. I'm sick of young women thinking it's ok to bypass important steps. Do they realize that the life into which they're bringing their baby is not good? Do they even think about the potential consequences - to themselves and their potential children - before spreading it for their horny high school boyfriends? If so, it doesn't seem to stick.
For the religious folk, consider this: You have sex, you're married. That's how God sees it. He doesn't appreciate your methodology, but you've consummated your relationship. You don't get a party. You don't get congratulations. You don't get to wear the pretty white dress.
Except that you do. And that makes me sick.
And when you get pregnant. You don't get a shower. You don't get the adoration of little girls who call you their idol. You don't get to think about how this affects you.
Except that, once again, you do. That makes me sick, too.
But the worst part is the scarcity of regard for the sanctity of sex and life. I am a married woman. Benjamin and I were both virgins when we said "I do." As a result, we share a special bond with each other that few modern young people can claim. Don't you think we were attracted to each other while we were dating? Don't you think we had opportunities to screw around? Don't you think I want babies? Duh!
But we were responsible. Some people think that "getting lost in the moment," having to "do" your significant other right then is a sign of insatiable love that no one understands. Guess what? We do understand - all of us who have made the right choices and retained our ethical premises. Jumping into bed with your high school sweetheart isn't love, it's horniness. And caving into those feelings doesn't make your relationship special and unique, it makes your relationship common and short-sighted.
I guess this is all grounded in my selfishness. I want my responsible choices to be viewed as positive, instead of being dismissed as old-fashioned. I don't want my life to be considered unexciting. And I don't want the things that I want so much in life to be taken for granted, even found inconvenient, by those who haven't earned them.
But when I really think about it, my life is exciting. I have a husband from whom I receive safety and love. We are passionate and loving, and we share a security of which unmarried couples can only dream. So I don't have a new guy every few months, but I get to keep a pretty great one. I don't have a baby to care for, but when I do, he or she will be a cherished blessing. And when I go to sleep tonight, I know that I will be waking up next to the same man tomorrow and for years to come. That's exciting.
Labels: dumbass, love and marriage, social commentary, women
posted by Adriane at
7:17 PM
10 Comments:
Wonderful!! We want to see this published and distributed everywhere!! You have such a way with words. There is much meaning here.
Really? Do you think God will be handing you a medal for your choices? Is it not a sin to judge others so harshly? The Bible talks about no sin being greater than another. People make mistakes and move on and learn from them--hopefully one day you can learn something from being judgemental...
To anonymous (above):
Shame on you for your comments! Of course it is not a sin to judge someone's actions. It is a sin to condemn someone, or try to judge someone's thoughts or feelings, but in no way is it wrong to tell someone they did something wrong. Do you think it's wrong to send someone to jail for stealing, or raping, or murdering? Of course not, and those people are judged wrong.
As for no sin being greater than another, I beg to differ. They all deserve the same (eternal) punishment, but some sins affect us (and others) differently. For instance, if I take God's name in vain, He gets pissed, but it doesn't physically harm anyone. If I steal something, that person goes without the thing I stole. If I cheat on my wife, I harm her as well as myself, since I have broken the sanctity of marriage - as well as possibly contracting something unwanted. If I kill someone, that person loses their chance to live a full life, and all the possibilities to do good, or bad, or accomplish so many things. Your logic is flawed. (By the way, if you want a biblical reference for this specific example, I Corinthians 6:18 says "Flee from sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body." There are also illustrations of the punishments for various sins. One wasn't always stoned, regardless of what he did.)
The reason Adriane posted this entry on her blog, is that people obviously aren't learning from their (or others') mistakes. Jamie Lynn Spears just had her baby, and she is probably a million+ young (8-15yrs) girls' idol. They all want to be like her, and y'know what? Over a dozen high-school aged girls in Massachusetts will have given birth before the next school year starts. They get the chance to be just like Jamie Lynn Spears - but they all still lack the age and life experience to properly take care of their children. Movies like Juno glamorize being pregnant, and when communities (church, or otherwise) throw baby showers for pregnant teenage (or otherwise) girls, who aren't married, and invite all the other young girls, it just reinforces the bad behavior. What people need the most, is a "reality slap in the face." You need to get over yourself, and stop making excuses for why you do something wrong and just change - that's what having a Godly, Christian attitude is all about; the willingness to accept God's way into your life, learn from Christ's example, and (for those baptised) learn from the Holy Spirit.
Thanks for proving my point. You assumed in your response, that I need to change and stop making excuses and implied I don't have a Godly, Christian attitude. You don't know me and yet you assume because I disagree with your condemnation that I am a certain way. This once again exhibits your snap judgement. There is a huge difference between righteous judgement and being judgemental. Take the scripture, "You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Matthew 7:5
Also, James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
And 1 Samuel 16:7, "The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart"
Without compassion for others, how will you be able to teach those who have horrible traumas and sins to get over in the Kingdom. God expects us to practice having that heart right now.
The statements weren't just judging someone's actions, but condemning the people who do them as well. It is one thing to know something is wrong, it is another to rub someone's nose in it. I pray that your heart will soften and mature in God's truth.
Dear sir or madam (aka "anonymous"),
I have no problem with you posting your opinions on my blog. I have no problem with you pointing out what you believe to be flaws in my logic. I have no problem with a rational forum on the topic. Hey, if I'm able to facilitate a real discussion from my personal post, then I'll take that as a compliment.
But if you'd like to post your opinions, point out what you believe to be flaws, or have a discussion, please identify yourself. As you can clearly see, my name is on my blog. I have taken full responsibility for everything I've written, and will continue to do so. If I have enough confidence in my writings to attach my name to them, then I expect you to as well.
You're right - no one here knows you (at least to my knowledge). Please rectify this, as you should be willing to take personal responsibility for your views.
And since you seem to have made plenty of assumptions yourself, let's address those:
a) "The statements weren't just judging someone's actions, but condemning the people who do them as well."
--- Please point out where in my post I said "damn them." I will remove it immediately.
b)It is one thing to know something is wrong, it is another to rub someone's nose in it.
--- I mentioned no one's name. Their nose is nowhere near my blog (especially since this is a post about society). And it would seem that if anyone happens across my blog and finds themselves upset, then they are in fact rubbing their own nose in it.
c) I pray that your heart will soften and mature in God's truth.
--- I appreciate your sincere desire for me to mature. Perhaps through a mature discussion (where both sides are represented by names rather than symbols of anonymity) we may both grow to see any places in which our arguments are inconsistent with God's truth.
Sincerely,
Adriane
Anonymous,
Exactly what point did I prove? You seem to have missed my (and Adriane's) points entirely. Again I will say, that there is nothing wrong with judging someone's actions. In no way has anything we said indicated that we are condemning these people - what we are condemning are the people, communities, and environments which condone this type of behavior.
The reason I wrote my response to your comments, is because you said "People make mistakes and move on and learn from them..." but unfortunately that is not always the case - in fact, the way our society is moving, it is very rarely the case. If you are blind to see that our society goes beyond simply being tolerant of poor judgment and behavior to the point of allowing and encouraging it, then I have to wonder exactly what kind of society you think we live in.
Nobody teaches accountability anymore - the verses you quoted are probably the most overused when trying to dismiss poor behavior. Jesus said "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you..." (Matthew 5:29) and "If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you..." (verse 30). This seems a little harsh to me, if all we have to do it try to learn from our mistakes and move on. What we're supposed to do, is change. The only way a person can learn a lesson, is if they are taught and told that what they did was wrong - expecting someone to learn from a mistake on their own is foolish.
The definition of compassion, is "a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is struck by a misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering." Can you tell me how it is unfortunate that Jamie Lynn Spears is so overwhelmingly happy now that she's a mom? How is it unfortunate that television, and newspapers do everything they can to gawk over her newborn? In what way, exactly, is she suffering? I have more compassion than you'd ever know for my family, and friends, and others who have befallen misfortune, but I just don't place a stupid teenager's bad choices in the same ballpark as a family who had their oldest son's life snuffed out by a drunk driver. How much compassion would you show that family? How much compassion would you show the drunk driver? Now, consider that the drunk driver has habitually engaged in this sort of reckless behavior, has shown no remorse to the other 3 families who have suffered losses at his hands, and if given the chance, would continue driving drunk without even thinking twice. I think what you might show now, would be pity - so let's not get the two mixed up.
Do you think it would be considered "rubbing someone's nose" in his poor decisions, if he was put into jail? I certainly hope not, and I certainly hope you feel he would deserve to be in jail. This has nothing to do with how hard, or soft my heart is toward someone, it's about the fact that if someone never learns from their mistakes, and knows there will be no (or mild) consequences from their actions, they have no reason to change. If we, as a society, continue to condone bad behavior and even glamorize it and encourage it... Nobody would ever learn the consequences of their actions.
Jesus never, not once dismissed someone's bad behavior. He's forgiven some of their sins, because He saw in their hearts that they were truly repentant. He told the woman caught in adultery "...go and sin no more." He never said "go, and try to move on..." He never made excuses, and He certainly never condoned any poor behavior. He had compassion on the poor, and the infirmed, and yes - sinners. However, He also made it very clear that those who showed an unwillingness to change and overcome their sins (not just "try and move on") by actually knowing that what they did was wrong would not be forgiven.
Consider this - wouldn't showing true compassion for someone involve helping them overcome their underlying thoughts and feelings which led to their behavior? How does saying "oh, there there" help that person at all? It may comfort them, but it does nothing to help them better their life. There are no biblically correct principles you could bring out, which direct someone to comfort without helping overcome. Please try to understand that this entry in Adriane's blog is not about bashing people, it's about bringing to light the fact that when someone makes a mistake, nobody has the balls to stand up and say "hey, what you did was wrong, here is why, and let's try to learn from it." Instead, they throw baby showers, and act like getting pregnant out of wedlock is just another normal, everyday occurrence. This teaches nothing.
From a different anonymous:
I'm curious to know at what point are we to decide that the sinner has duly repented, been properly chastised and fully changed? Are we to continue to slug away at the sinner throughout her life to ensure she never forgets the fact that she sinned by engaging in sex outside the bounds of matrimony? Is the resulting child to be made to feel the weight of bastardom throughout its life? You rightfully explain that Jesus told the sinner to "go and sin no more." However, he didn't follow up with a vitriolic tirade to further heap condemnation and judgement on the sinner. At that point, the sinner was welcomed into fellowship again. Compare 1st and 2nd Corinthians if you want to see the proper reaction to a repentant sinner. The prodigal son was as much a vile sinner as any human being. However, upon his return he was greeted with compassion, kisses, a celebration, a ring and new clothes (see Luke 15:11-32). Had he sinned? Yes, but he repented. We do not have to accept or encourage the sin to practice compassion and mercy when someone acknowledges wrong steps and attempts to right the course. It was the "good" son who was ultimately addressed by Jesus through this parable.
As you point out, some sins do carry penalties and consequences even after repentance. However, it is not the Christian's job or function to use those consequences to continue to hammer away at the sinner.
Rahab is a great example. She's listed in Hebrews 11 as an example of faith. She was a harlot. What about Abraham who lied, Jacob who worked to deceive, Isaac who practiced favoritism, Moses who struck the rock, David, Peter, Paul, etc? All servants of God are repentant sinners whose victory comes only through the gift from Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 15:57).
Your zeal to identify and root out sin is to be commended. However, you must leave room for grace through repentance or else surely even the best of men live with no hope.
Wow! More commentary! This is exciting :)
Ok guys, I'd really like to get this whole thing back onto my original topic. I really feel like I've got "anonymous" people giving their two cents about a topic they've created themselves, instead of practicing "close reading" and commenting on what I actually wrote.
I didn't address the issue of a sinner repenting. Nor did I claim to be worthy of deciding that fact.
I'm not "slugging away" at anyone. I believe I posted a simple statement about *take a deep breath* s-o-c-i-e-t-y and how this aspect of s-o-c-i-e-t-y is really messed up.
Would either of you disagree with this? I would really like to find which of MY points you actually find offensive, rather than learning a whole lot about what generally offends you, and having my post labeled as whatever that is.
Let's start from the beginning:
"And while it may be unfair to demand my values of others, it shouldn't be too much to hold them to their own."
--- Do you believe that we should not expect people to uphold their OWN values?
"I also don't like the term "pre-marital sex." Where did the "pre" come from, anyway? As I understand it, this is society's non-judgmental way of saying, "They just did it in a different order. They make their own choices, deviated from the crowd" as if their toying with a precious and sacred concept is the equivalent of ordering from the Burger King menu. "Have it your way" has become an all-too-natural behavioral mantra."
--- Should we continue to use a term that, by nature, accepts a wrong practice? Should we not, instead, step out and say "this is wrong" without wondering whether someone will get upset? That's what we call "post-modernism," and it too has become too popular. No absolutes. Got it.
"What we should be calling it is "non-marital sex." You weren't pre married, you were non married!"
--- Would you disagree that people who are not married are "non-married"?
"Certainly, there are people who just don't care....They've learned a lifestyle, and to teach them differently would be to deprive them of what they once had."
--- Honestly, this was not meant to be sarcastic. I'm acknowledging that there are people like this, who really don't care. Would you disagree? My point in this paragraph is to note that we don't have to go around trying to change everybody, or yelling at people who do wrong and don't profess otherwise. I'm setting up the real point, which is the problem of people professing one thing (abstinence) and doing another (sex out of marriage).
"But then there are people that know better. They claim beliefs, both religious and ethical, and vow to stand by them. They convince friends and family of their character and complain about those that deviate from such values."
--- Here I'm talking about the growing number of people in the church (or who are otherwise religious) bailing on their OWN values. I'm not saying that if someone doesn't care, we should harass them (then again, we shouldn't harass them either way). I'm saying that it is very sad when people abandon their OWN principles because they're "in the moment."
"I'm sick of my religious friends shacking up."
--- I am. This is a fact. It is not a point with which you may legitimately argue.
"I'm sick of them acting like it's "no big deal," when in fact they have surrendered their moral foundation for the opportunity to "be in love."
--- Ditto here.
"I'm sick of the sanctity of my marriage (flawed as it may be) being trampled by the widespread approval of someone else's semblance of one."
--- Same thing. Do you not believe that our cultural acceptance of shacking up and "pre-marital" sex is helping to dissolve the sanctity of REAL marriage?
"I'm sick of the sanctity of my marriage (flawed as it may be) being trampled by the widespread approval of someone else's semblance of one....I'm sick of young women thinking it's ok to bypass important steps."
--- I am. No arguments. Since the subject of the sentence is "I" (not "you", "society", "Betty"...) you just get to leave those statements alone.
"Though pregnancy itself is not the cause of my sickness, it certainly adds to the number of people their bad decisions impact."
--- Here, I CLEARLY state that I'm not ticked that someone gets pregnant - I'm bothered by the original action that LED to that! As far as the sin, getting pregnant is no worse than having sex.
"Do they realize that the life into which they're bringing their baby is not good? Do they even think about the potential consequences - to themselves and their potential children - before spreading it for their horny high school boyfriends? If so, it doesn't seem to stick."
--- First, I'm asking questions. I'm not claiming to know the answer, and unless my anonymous friends are/were pregnant out of wedlock, you don't know the answer either! Next, I state that these facts don't seem to stick with them. Would you argue with that? Do you believe that they DO stick? If that's the case, then it's a completely willing sin rather than just a "mistake."
"For the religious folk, consider this: You have sex, you're married. That's how God sees it. He doesn't appreciate your methodology, but you've consummated your relationship."
--- Wanna argue here?
"You don't get a party. You don't get congratulations. You don't get to wear the pretty white dress. Except that you do. And that makes me sick."
--- This is what we call "rhetorical strategy." I'm saying people shouldn't get these things, but they do, because s-o-c-i-e-t-y has come to accept it. Does that acceptance not make YOU sick?
"And when you get pregnant. You don't get a shower. You don't get the adoration of little girls who call you their idol. You don't get to think about how this affects you. Except that, once again, you do. That makes me sick, too."
--- Do you think that we should celebrate, and teach little girls that this is just as good as the way God designed marriage and family? As one of you stated, we shouldn't make the child "feel the weight of bastardom throughout its life." That means it's not the baby's responsibility, but the so-called mother and father.
"But the worst part is the scarcity of regard for the sanctity of sex and life."
--- Would you disagree that "pre-marital" sex shows a lack of regard for sex and life?
"Benjamin and I were both virgins when we said "I do." As a result, we share a special bond with each other that few modern young people can claim."
--- Do you think that the bond shared in marriage is not special?
"Don't you think we were attracted to each other while we were dating? Don't you think we had opportunities to screw around? Don't you think I want babies? Duh!"
--- Believe me, I have one hot hubby. I'm also in college. We had plenty of chances to have "pre-marital" sex. And yeah, there are times at which it's hard to make the right decision. Similarly, I want kids more than anything. But even though it would be perfectly acceptable for us to have children now, we know that we haven't yet built the home into which we want to bring our family. We're still making responsible choices. And I'm sorry, but you don't get to dispute any of that.
"Some people think that "getting lost in the moment," having to "do" your significant other right then is a sign of insatiable love that no one understands. Guess what? We do understand - all of us who have made the right choices and retained our ethical premises. Jumping into bed with your high school sweetheart isn't love, it's horniness. And caving into those feelings doesn't make your relationship special and unique, it makes your relationship common and short-sighted."
--- See above, cause I'm tired of typing. Do you disagree that these decisions make a relationship short-sighted? And, unfortunately, common these days?
"I guess this is all grounded in my selfishness. I want my responsible choices to be viewed as positive, instead of being dismissed as old-fashioned. I don't want my life to be considered unexciting. And I don't want the things that I want so much in life to be taken for granted, even found inconvenient, by those who haven't earned them."
--- Oh look, she admits it! This post is about MY feelings more than anything. I've taken personal responsibility for the way in which my own feelings play into my opinion, and I'm not going to change it based on a couple of anonymous critics. And though we shouldn't go through life being selfish, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with me posting my feelings and comentary on s-o-c-i-e-t-y on my personal blog. If someone is offended, they may address me PERSONALLY and MATURELY. (That means using your name. I'm a relatively small girl, and I am scared to death of fights. Believe me, I'm not going to come after you and reach for your earrings.)
"But when I really think about it, my life is exciting. I have a husband from whom I receive safety and love. We are passionate and loving, and we share a security of which unmarried couples can only dream. So I don't have a new guy every few months, but I get to keep a pretty great one. I don't have a baby to care for, but when I do, he or she will be a cherished blessing. And when I go to sleep tonight, I know that I will be waking up next to the same man tomorrow and for years to come. That's exciting."
--- This has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else. It's me talking about the feelings I have because of the choices my husband & I have made. It's about my security and the love I'm blessed to share with him. It's my realization, within my own mind, that as upsetting as s-o-c-i-e-t-y is, I am blessed to not be in that situation. And for that, I give God the credit, because I don't for a minute profess to be any better than someone who falls into the situations I've addressed.
The fact of the matter is, though, that I would like to know which of the points I've made you SPECIFICALLY challenge. Then we might have a starting place for a real discussion, without the clutter you've brought into it by creatively citing scriptures and making arguments that apply only to what you have in your head. If you want me to respond to your opinions, then limit your opinions (here) to those that actually apply. Your general feelings can go elsewhere.
Thanks, and I look forward to hearing from people with names. Seriously, you're clearly knowledgeable, so take some credit! And have confidence in what you say, so that we can all be mature adults and facilitate something constructive.
-- Adriane
What's the SMALLEST sin?
.... flea fornication
Haha! You're funny momma :)
...I think Benjamin played a game where someone had to draw "flea fornication" (similar to pictionary I believe) when he went camping.
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